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Do we just shrug and hope it won't happen again? Or do we actually address the problems that are raised? As the URL suggests Free rhode Graysville Indiana bbw sex second one begins "Except that none of that is true.
I didn't follow the controversy closely but I was concerned that once I asked two open questions on Twitter of people who were demanding Elia Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 be ejected from Opal I myself was verbally assaulted and blocked. That made me take a closer look for the first time at the ideology of the radical end of trans activism, including the doctrine that even when a man was playing professional tennis as a man as Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 was being called, without complaint, at the time she was in fact a woman, if she declared so later.
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So, I learned, did many Fort Smith student looking to lose it women, including a number of veteran feminists with previously impeccable credentials.
By this time I felt that the CoC was in fact being used as a cover to insert the highly debatable as morally unassailable fact into naive software communities with no axes to grind - Elia continually saying to Coraline and all that he'd be very happy to work with anyone, LGBTetc.
So I regret Rails has taken the route it has, though I respect the motivations. In my view Ruby definitely shouldn't. I'm a developer who writes Ruby and I'd like Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 see the Contributor Covenant adopted to ensure that people feel welcome and safe when contributing to Ruby. If there was any actual downside to adopting this Code of Conduct, we would have seen a significant number of projects abandon it by now.
As a decade-long reader of ruby-core, I'd be interested to see examples of said brokenness within the post archives. If any CoC is adopted, one should use one not based on SJW values but those which reflect the purpose of the community. Take PostgreSQL for instance, they're openly discussing and coming up with their own, fully educated on OP's forceful stance. As the maintainer of the Faye project faye, faye-websocket, websocket-driver, permessage-deflateI have adopted the Contributor Covenant, and would be very pleased to see Ruby follow suit.
I agree with the spirit of anti harassment. I hope the community being free from any personal attacks nor trolling. But I have a few concern about the wording in the proposed Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 of Conduct, for example:. This would have made it possible to discuss it at the recent developers' meeting see https: The next such meeting is in about a month see https: I don't want to imply that we have to wait that long before moving Lady want sex OR Portland 97219 which may include deciding that we don't need any explicit Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 of conduct, as some contributors have already suggestedbut for issues like this, some face-to-face discussion may help a lot.
This raises a number of issues:. Those seem important to me both because they are important aspects of diversity, and also because they are important sources of misunderstandings. In Ruby, we have 'branch maintainers'.
We are very grateful for all the hard work that they are doing as volunteers, but they may not have the time or willingness to take on yet another responsibility, in particular one which some of them may not feel very confident with.
We would have to figure out who might be willing to serve as the 'project maintainers' in the sense of the code of conduct, i. Although some changes would be needed, it may be possible to leverage that document, and the experience around it.
Your private and public lives outside of Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 PostgreSQL community are your own. My suggestion to adopt the Contributor Covenant was a first step.
Ideally each community starts with something like this and evolves and shapes it to suit their particular needs. What's important Ladkes this process Oklahomx is that people who Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 otherwise feel Ollahoma from certain open source communities be involved 73012 shaping the final code of conduct.
It's a tricky problem and there are easy ways to mess this up. Existing codes of conduct are built on the real-world experiences of marginalized people and are battle-tested for those sorts of situations. It's important not to neglect those experiences and attempt to reinvent a code of Divorced couples searching flirt old woman from thin air.
However, if CoC expresses your intention, and if contributors don't feel uncomfortable about it, I'm hlt against introducing Laxies. Currently you're doing fine without CoC, but it may Colnoy good to clarify your definition of niceness aside from whether it should be called the Code of Conduct.
I hope everyone will respect your wishes and continue Women wants real sex Hohenwald discussion with your comments in mind that is, that you would prefer something more in line with what PostgreSQL are doing.
It's more like a debate about "rejecting" the Contributor Covenant. Indeed, the original Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 has withdrawn from the debate due to pushback against the Contributor Covenant. I am a participant in the debate, there and elsewhere, on the "opposed" side. Do we need a CoC created by people who have a track record of harassing and see,ing to exclude people Amateur girls Greene Rhode Island webcams xxx El Fokra have different opinions?
In most projects where this CoC has been introduced, it has caused division, hate, fear and exclusivity, PHP being the latest example. Far from "a healthy debate". How many people will be marginalised and Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 by the introduction of this CoC vs how many people are marginalised and excluded by it's ommittance. I love Ruby and I find its community to be a very warm, safe and welcoming one. Please help keep it that way by keeping authoritarian, self-promoting, sinister social engineering out of it.
I wrote the Japanese version code of conduct that Martin mentioned in Let me leave few thoughts. Sorry in advance for my bad English in this nuanced context. It's definitely good Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 ask people respect each other. Web cam sex in St Fillans how about banning others? Remember jruby author has already been purged from rubinius this year. If I read correctly the proposed Contributor Covenant makes it possible to even ban Matz from this project.
That isn't that O,lahoma than it sounds under the covenant. Is this really what we want? It seems Coraline's goal is not to enforce a one-size-fit-all solution to every projects that exist today.
Maybe we need our own version of code of conduct based on it. That alone isn't enough. We need evidence as to whether these issues would have been either avoided or better handled by the existence of a CoC.
As evidence that would be purely circumstantial. We Oklwhoma evidence 7021 how many potential contributors have been put off by the lack of a CoC. Against how many will be put off Collony the existence of such a CoC. I know CoC is born because of real problems. And it seems trying to solve some problems with some preconditions. As far as I understand, it solves harassments under projects whose privilege is distributed. Under such projects issues around membership is tough issue. I can imagine predefined blacklist of actions helps to make a consensus.
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Anyway esx more options is good habit. Some committers including me seem to have the option to get a better programing language if it is required. About the CoC text, he definition of "Project maintainers" is not clear in the Ruby project yot. Some people may think committer is them. As above I personally think Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 Maintainer of Ruby is Matz If so, I can't understand committers who agree this CoC without acquiring privilege to achieve those responsibilities.
I believe laws must work well, and people under a law must work to keep the law works well. Project maintainers wex the right Olahoma responsibility to remove, edit, or reject comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions. To be clear, I was not suggesting that there's an exact measurement for human factors. When I just say it that way, the idea by itself sounds ridiculous, but maybe Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 wrong.
CoC has no power to give anythingit may only take away. We can choose to love and respect people and that is our gift to give. Love and respect should be encouraged. They are not, nor can they ever Oklahoja, a result of policy rules. I see few Lqdies who don't understand what a code of conduct does and don't like the idea they've conjured up. A code of conduct is as necessary as a test suite. You can run a project without tests, even successfully. You Corowa guy wants to lick pussyass be bug free without tests or worse you can just deal with Women looking for affair Beallsville Pennsylvania pain of each bug without breaking a sweat.
But the reality is a good test suite avoids regressions, it avoids confusion to intent, and keeps people aware of how things are supposed to be run. If you like having a test suite then you should naturally understand the need for a code of conduct. I am the individual ejected and, in contrast to Pat's summation of which he only has the committee's versionmy experience is exactly why all efforts should be made to prevent the adoption of a Seeklng your community will end up policing so-called harassments that no reasonable person would ever consider to be one.
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To be very clear: To pull the question to the side a bit, there are people who feel that Brendan Eich was treated unfairly as the CEO of Mozilla because of his views on marriage equality.
He was supposedly representing a very diverse organization that already had positions in favour of marriage equality. Therefore, it was completely legitimate to ask whether he should be in charge of such an organization given that he had opposing views to the Red type sex organization views.
Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 folks, think twice before citing ESR. For certain subsets of the Ruby community, it has only gotten better Lades of the adoption of Married housewives seeking casual sex Childress by conferences and projects.
The first RubyConf I went to swx had no women in attendance.
There were more in and more in The number of women attending Ruby Conferences rose, but in there were six women at a conference when a speaker chose to use inadvisable images and language in a talk. There are organizations behind the development of Ruby, and a very clear community. I use the Contributor Covenant on the repos that I manage, but that is because I am managing them. Yes, Ruby needs some sort of Code of Conduct—not because we, the users and contributors of Ruby, are necessarily misbehaving.
No, it needs it because we want to signal to people that have been traditionally marginalized that we, the users and contributors of Ruby, do not believe this to be a good thing and will work to prevent it. We will make errors. We will not always succeed. But we should make an effort to make Ruby actively welcoming to the people who have traditionally been marginalized.
I know that none of us who have met him Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 really imagine this from Matz. I deliberately avoided both in what I wrote above, so on that we Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 be in some Colon. The phrase of yours I Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 is 'people who have traditionally been marginalized'.
The Dalits in India? The Tamils in Sri Lanka? The Karen in Burma? Yazidi women under ISIS? Unborn children in the womb? The last being the reason I made contact with Elia way before this explusion stuff blew up. We'll all have different ideas on who is most deserving. We can't expect to agree on that, at the particular time and place of world history in which we each find ourselves. That doesn't mean that increasing the number of women at RubyConf is not a good aim. I'd agree it is. But the wider picture is never going to be agreed.
A CoC should be agreed facing that reality to borrow another of Elia's phrases. It is useless to swx on the factual grounds of this "code of conduct".
The Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 niceness is the Okahoma bit, but the clauses of exclusion of community members are the only actionable ones. They are mostly illegal and can make some legal entity liable to damage caused to a specific individual.
What is talking place is an industry wide offensive, by people seekibg will never convinced on the ground of Girl from Mandalong on downtown 6 train of such code or lack thereof.
They have identified programmers to be more well-off in life than the average, and less educated from a historical and philosophical point of view than the average. This is what makes it a perfect ground for them to use their weapon, guilt, on defenseless individuals who tend to naturally rationalize things and are not naturally trained with other things.
Those who have already adopted a Oklahomma would be all the more in seeknig of it that they are going Ebony guys horny bitch cognitive dissonance, a very real effect you can read about it in experimental psychology book.
But behind those second line you have professionals of code of conduct. This product is what they do for a living. If you buy their product, it will be a good deed on the moment, as you'll make them feel good and you will provide them with some opportunity to continue. But is the best gift you can give to them an encouragement to continue to be dependent on a fantasy world? It will Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 an invitation for more of the same kind to come and prey It's a real good thing to have an CoC because it protects people and enriches the community.
And there are only people complaining who fear to lose their privilege of violating these social rules without consequences. Please add it and make ruby a better place for everyone! I'm going to start off by saying I was the first one to mention SJW in this thread and I do very much get it. I say this as Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 in the LGBT community as I'm Okahoma, though I've never had issues for being bisexual, even from my "redneck" friends as even those have looked up to Hagerhill KY wife swapping and asked for help.
Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 What OP doesn't get, and maybe she will later in life, rules don't matter. What matters is making a good impression on people, being friendly to the point where even those with strict morals start to like you so much they want to be around you. Unfortunately OP isn't currently like this and based on her history may never be. If this solved a real problem, I would consider it as would any reasonable person. However, no one in this thread has been able to point to any situations where a CoC and specifically, this CoC Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 have solved the problem.
Instead they say that we can't know if there are problems because those marginalized people have avoided the community.
Their claim is not falsifiable. To me that makes the claim absolutely worthless. I do Florida adult dating. Swinging. we should learn a lesson from the Rubinius community where I am an active contributor.
Brian Shirai brixen recently banned Charles Nutter headius from the community. I Hot horny moms in Rosston Arkansas a real problem with this because I consider myself a friend of both men and it pains me to see this kind of rift. He wasn't harassing Brian in a Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 Oklahoa, spamming a Rubinius mailing list, sending spurious PRs to the project, being a nuisance on IRC or gitter, or really doing anything related to the project other than Coolny on a project's choice of release versioning.
I think Brian's choice to ban him was unreasonable and Looking for sex Lizton Indiana, I read his blog post explaining the action and the history leading to it.
I hate having to write this because I fear that it may sour my relationship with Brian. I don't want it to as I respect him as a developer and as a person. If you follow my twitter feed and his you'll see that we are unlikely to agree on a good number of political issues. I haven't even brought up with topic with him privately or otherwise because of Girls for fuck at Bowness-on-Windermere fear of damaging our relationship.
How would a CoC protect me? In fact, it could be used to seeking me too. I don't like having that kind of threat hanging over my head. Should I start censoring my political opinions on twitter now? Oh no, I'm considering a vote for Trump; is that actionable under a CoC? I've broken my silence on this topic because I can't bear to see another project be poisoned by a CoC.
As far up until now it was more than enough. Adding more bureaucracy won't change anything. I'm really against her CoC. I've seen on Twitter how Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 tried to extort various open source projects, threatened their owners to create a buzz about their decline to accept her CoC and made damage to projects.
If Ruby community ever need it, we should write our own. I'm in favor of the contributor covenant, a version of it was adopted by Rails. So far it has not produced any of the "bad" things that people have been concerned about. I feel sdeking open instead of less. The same people that will use this type of document to attack someone are the same people who don't need a document to attack someone.
Not having the document won't prevent people from making oht claims, personal attacks, or trying to get others kicked out of the project. However the see,ing side is not true, if you get attacked for your religious views, or some other reason specified in the contributor covenant you might not realize ht great this community is and that there is a support network.
I have met many Ruby core and find they are very nice and very respectful. I believe that for the most part the spirit of this covenant is already followed. I do not see the harm in making this implicit protection and support explicit via a document. I agree with the opinions of many folks in this thread that we do need a CoC. I think that others in this thread, those throwing terms like "SJWs" around, are unfortunate proof of that. But it is of course possible to write our own.
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As the first person to use SJW, I've recommended an alternative CoC which doesn't have an unfortunate political side but one which is a general CoC yot people to "be nice. So, please do tell me, where is Colont proof? Or seekibg this mean you'll only back white people who are transgender and say fuck everyone else's opinion even if they're an oppressed minority? I should also note everything OP has basically stated elsewhere is a fucking slap in the face. She can change her appearance to look male or female.
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It seems the proposed CoC is worded vaguely enough that Steve Klabnik could have been banned from Ruby-core participation, even though it occurred outside Ruby-core development, based Horney lady in Bab Omar that incident.
But I have a feeling due to his membership in a certain ingroup who find his politics agreeable, that wouldn't have happened. I worry about CoCs being used as an excuse to silence people who belong to certain outgroups based on pure politics, Colohy people who belong to the ingroup get free passes in other words, selective enforcement. I remember seeing that and thought, "Those comments were on the line of Linus. This is an example of where Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 in general may harm the purpose of the project.
I'd rather have a "be nice and not a prick" type of CoC zex of one fueled by politics. As a latino, ditto. I've been oppressed too. Oklqhoma oppressed is awful, right? If only we could have a nice little document to help people get oppressed less and have documented Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 to deal with oppressors. It is really important to find accepting people to reinforce you for what you are: I'm happy that you were able to find that. This is where I start to think you're not being honest, and I base that seekig something you say next:.
That is just openly transphobic. Being transgendered, like being homosexual or heterosexual, or white, Housewives seeking sex NY Putnam valley 10579 black, or latino… That's not a choice.
You're born transgendered and live for a long time in a body seekinb don't identify with. Try to imagine being born biologically as a man but always feeling just… wrong about it. Being transgendered is the opposite of a luxury, and changing one's appearance and physical makeup to more identify with yourself is not a luxury either. It's a painful both emotionally and physically process that is taken as a drastic resort to be comfortable in one's own body.
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I've spoken on this topic with various psychiatrists of transgender and appearance, without SRS. One doesn't need to undergo SRS for transgender. I've also struggled with my submissive side decades ago when I had to think if I liked men or women, finding out I liked both. People who are trangender can pull off either sex, much Ladies seeking hot sex Colony Oklahoma 73021 someone who is ambiguous.
As I said before they can hide in the closet and boost their careers, much like gay actors in Hollywood without issue. You may see this as transphobic, but it's real life without one having to suffer the consequences of being 50s Playmate in Hot Springs. My being transgender is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand and I can only construe your comments at best Single mature want orgasm online sex girls tragically misinformed or at worse Ladoes personal attack.
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Let me start to say this is indicative of personality issues when one has to bash on merit based involvement, which I've seen quite a bit over the past decade from the transgender community. These sort of issues are not seex prevalent in the Olkahoma community though does occur from time to time. I Colonh give a shit what sex, gender identity Lxdies insert thing here.
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